The year started with powerful and forward thinking energy that will assist in elevating us both spiritually and subconsciously. Moon oppose Pluto and Moon square Pluto could tend to be dark because they are powerful and not with a harmonious flow. Thank you =). Amazing emotional+sexual chemistry though there was some bumps in the way. It "wakes up those areas inside of us and causes us to express them sexually, free from the restrictions of reality. Yes, these asteroids have to be in a very close conjunction with other planets ( or a very close square) to be dangerous. It may seem challenging but we share many conjunctions and trines/sextiles. thanks, M. Super passion unlike few else. However, there is a flip side. Eros-Psyche: Eros and Psyche are natural mates. Deja conj ASC may make for victimization as you fo through life, I am not able to do more. We have no moon aspects will this help? My dejanira is in opposition to his sun and without any other aspects. woman s Dejanira and Juno, ( 445 and 432 Scorp ) both conjunct mans Eros and Chiron, (510 Scorp, 530 Scorp ) and both OPPOSITE mans Nessus (6 Taurus) They have lots of soulmate connections in the charts and both make really strong NN conjunctions and squares in synastry. It was a relationship based on dates and romance instead of the realities of life. Nessus conj the NN in synastry would make me RUN and fast lol. That is my commitment to my readers. I would have to see the rest of the chart to tell more though, my Friend. We have our arguments and I sometimes feel put down by him (and, to be fair, he feels the same way about me) and sometimes my self-esteem suffers. To summarize, I would say that Mars/Pluto could be passionate sex and passionate emotions but no soul.If a chart had no Moon aspects and Mars/Pluto aspects, I would say it would be a fling. Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Moon/Pluto does not have to be dark sexual but if any planetary aspect would be, it would be this. Your feelings are not fact. It may be off a few minutes and change things. Thanks! Pick your top two questions and I will try to help, my Friend! I have this aspect with someone Im seeing. It would simply be different. I think theres a trine or sextile to other asteroids but nothing major. What does Nessus and Dejanira mean when conjuncting each other? I had this excerpt saved from somewhere on the internet, but don't have the original source. The fear can totally destroy someone over something that they read as if its fact. 1) What would it mean when my nessus conjuncts his nessus? Does this mean anything? If a mans Nessus conjuncts, your Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or North Node, he will abuse you, in my opinion. Most important to me is that you find Jesus. We all have Liliths plutonic quality in us, the unconscious energy that brings up harsh boundaries between life and death, ecstasy and suffering, passion and revulsion, enslavement and freedom. Would the aspects to the venus offset the negativity that the Dejanira implies? To put it plainly, if you have a dominant Nessus, you will be an abuser. Or can my Sun hurt the person. I am worried about being the abuser here. One other thing that might be helpful with this asteroid pairing, and one that I think is quite meaningful. what would result from this? Thank you, amiann. But, I will take sides with Sydney on this issue. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. Would you liken moon/pluto dynamics to an 8th house moon overlay? He has a strong nessus (conjunct with his sun + true node in cancer ). What I've read about Lilith makes it seem to me that she's sort of like the Feminine's Pluto with lots of primal sexual urges thrown in, so I'm sure she rooted herself comfortably into your already heavily Plutonic relationships. His Eros is on her Descendant and her Eros makes a square to his Sun and conjuncts his Vertex. The conjunction is especially strong, but the trine, square, and opposition can also indicate a past life connection or marriage. Grace dear as well as to the signs and houses. But I do see this possibly helping people with many bad aspects that could show any possibility of abuse in their own chart already whom have actually been through anything so that this can help them feel validated about past or current pains, but its not good to deem things as going to play out in time just because they havent yet in a long standing, healthy relationship. They play out to have a certain pattern to the relationship. The issue is telling people that are in healthy relationships or people that are around a couple in a healthy relationship, that those aspects will certainly play out no matter what. Lilith on the ic is one of the more potent lilith synastry to have even in the composite. I was wondering how abuse would play itself out if the Nessus-Deja synastry conjunction is in Cancer. Mars conj Saturn is not good. It is opinion, not truth. With any Chiron aspect to the other persons Juno, there was a wound created through marriage in a past life. The wonderful thing about this aspect, especially with the conjunction is that love is brought into the lives of both, even if . Thanks you, Jos. I haven't been able to find much discussion about this connection and I'm really interested in hearing stories from other people who've experienced it. It is the passion of lovers and the pure, primal love of a mother for her baby. I have no vested interest in any asteroid or any placement being any way other than my being able to help people. Thank you, Its not a square but there isnt much info out there on the conjunction. I have seen it in a few people, only. Also, our vertexes are conjunct in the same degree. The first would be Nessus. I often am able to get away in time, and at other times I can get away only to a certain degree. Please, keep me posted though but, yes, please, be careful, Love! This ascendant descendant conjunction alone does a very interesting thing in the chart. Hmm That can be justified through basic psychology, I think. Sorry if its too much info xx, Ps, sorry! Opposition AC / Moon and trigone mars and saturne. Eros is looking for his equal to explore the realm of creative intimacy. Since both Eros and Lilith are isolated energies buried deep in the unconcious, the erotic transformation which takes place upon their meeting is deep with raw and intuitive spiritual potency. Can this aspect be calmed down by a Mars conjunct Saturn contact? Both of them are loaded with sexual power, so their interaction is often explosive. Finding Jesus is all that really matters in life. This is a general rule, my Friend. The pairing can easily fulfill the other's sexual desires and unlock some of their naughty fantasies. TEA & ROSEMARY LLC. I suppose you have choice on whether to act on it. I'm not typically the "make him suffer" type, but holy wow did it all come rushing out with him. The Nessus person brings abuse to the ASC/DSC person. These parts of you would flow well i.e may not play out in actual asbuse but would still be issues you both would deal with i.e abuse/victimhood imo I have not seen the trine in actual charts, dean. Things DO offset things but one must look at everything to see a final answer which is my goal when doing charts.I am not trying to sell myself here, just trying to show that your question is too deep for a quick answer, my Friend. "I want to welcome you to my website. But I always have the feeling that people want to abuse/fool me in one way or another and they get surprised when I respond, I constantly need to stand up for myself in any sort of situation, from the cashier in the shop to colleagues at work. I do charts for the people who want them. I have this kinky fantasy specifically for him putting a really big needle into me as part of a medical procedure but this isnt my kink or fetish. Think sitting next to a roaring fire. so, quick question, where do I post it? It can ruin possible healthy relationships. Great questions. It makes sense when you consider how deeply Lilith desires to eat/destroy her loves mythologically. Thanks SO much for your kind words. Same natal chart of a man who is 41-42 years old. Posts: 376From: Western Massachusetts, USRegistered: May 2009. my mars is there too though, trining his Scorpio pluto 0.25 we have physical heat but plenty of fighting. I am not asking you to do mine either. There is so few information on these aspects so I really appreciate reading more about it here and in the forum. Thank you, Amiann. I have looked at them unto themselves but everything matters so I will start to incorporate signs and houses. I am having a hard time following your questions, Julia. I suppose I should add that. Im 30 with a mother that is 32 years older than myself and have never experienced any abuse, and Ive been alive and around my mother long enough to experience it. I would say that there must be wonderful soul connections that keep down the abuse that would come up without these. Please, keep giving your opinion. You are not an astrology god that holds the key to the entire truth. Have you tried? Telling people that something will happen to them because of an aspect is what you in particular FEEL is going to happen, but that is not the truth. Yes very passionate.50shades of grey is just childplay. I am not mad, I am correcting you for instilling fear in people with your claim to truth. I have found that when someone's personal planets make strong aspects to someone else's natal Eros, a strong sexual bond and attraction is indicated. It wasn't until he began to withhold sex from me that I finally crumbled. I know this is not my website, so I cannot change how you write and it is not my business to dictate how you write. The flip side is that when it ends( and it usually does) you could go to jail for homicide. If they are conjunct in synastry, a soul mate connection is indicated. It will not heal anyone to tell them that they are wrong when they say that their relationship is healthy and happy even though they have an aspect that you think is destined to be unhealthy. I know this is an article for synastry, but Im a little worried about my natal chart after reading about Nessus and Dejanira. That might be how theyre playing out their Nessus-Dejanira, though Im not sure since they also have a lot of mutual Uranus and Pluto contacts to inner planets and both Ascendants. Coming from a standpoint of being an archaeologist, we can interpret and theorize things ourselves all we want, but an archaeologist telling a crowd of people that their own interpretation of the past is the TRUTH would not only be incredibly wrong, but it would also be detrimental to people that no nothing about interpreting and analyzing archaeological sites, therefore they would take that persons word even though it is not truth. There is no superficial way to get to know Lilith through the experience of the erotic. I hope I can do this when I tell you about my own life. Sorry, lol. If it feels too, too good to be true, it often is. I have moon conjunct neptune and venus in 12th house. Karmic astrology synastry is suddenlyreally interesting when you want to look at your own relationship. In this video we will discuss the aspects between #Sun and #Eros in a synastry chart in Mix - Eros and Sun in Synastry! The Basic House Rulers23 Simple Steps for Beginners. You have such a sweet spirit. Chiron conjunct sun. I dont believe in past lives, Lo. I am for the stark, bare truth cuz that is what heals. They made my day, Jeanie. YOU are the most important person to me. About Nessus/BML, I would watch it. This would take a whole chart reading. I have to always be honest. I think you will have the urge to abuse. We are to take the blueprint that is given and then do what we want with it. It creates a synastry energy where all the houses for the whole chart are conjunct to their opposite house in the partner's chart. He may abuse her and it would be seen publicly. I, always, have people want to tell me that Nessus is not always abuse. It needs to be 3 degrees, tops, so no worries there! Hi! I wonder what do you think it would happen when nessus conjuncts nessus in synastry. Keep an eye on anyone who is near her. I dont know too much about asteroids and wonder if the intense attraction I am feeling will fizzle as quickly as it came about or if it lasting. That is the nature of the DSC. If the man is the Dejanira, he would be the victim. Moon/Pluto as a conjunction is not dark , per se. 2) I just looked for the child asteroid and it is on 28 Capricorn, conjuct with my venus 1 Aquarius. I dont pay that much attention to Deja conj another asteroid. Also, I try to be very direct to counter the tendency in many Astrologer not to take a stand. My nessus is separated from my true node by 7 in cncer and in exact opposition to my venus. Dejanira (female) conjunct Saturn (male) This is not a dark aspect, either. I just found out my abusers Moon is 1 degree conjunct my Dejanira. More about Synastry (relationship Astrology) Intermediate and advanced students of Astrology might enjoy our article, SoulMate . I would say that this relationship would be INTENSE but in a beautiful way.Please, tell me about it! As I see more pieces, I think my awareness shifts, and I do feel like that makes a difference. That is most certainly not the truth. Who is whom? The Five Darkest, Sexual Aspects in Synastry There is attraction based on dark forces like rage, pain and abuse. His dejanira is in opposition to his vertex. These aspects or connections have a "mean't to be" feel to them, it's a potent place to look at in synastry. I have my DEJA conjuncion JUNO in my house 6 Hardly. There are many, many possibilities in astrology, even infinite if Im speaking on the complexity of each persons chart. This is not dark sexual, per se. My guess is that it would be an obsessive relationship where both would try to hurt each other? These are too many questions for text. Love, You interpret things based off of your own view. My sun and deja are on his nn. Eros and Psyche were mythical lovers, and were brought together by fate. Would the aspects to the venus offset the negativity that the Dejanira implies? Hats off to your courage. Does nessus still be working as a tendency to abuse? Fortuna Conjunct the Vertex. That being said, the charts WILL play out, imo and ime. Hi Ami. Thank you for your response, I appreciate it very much. Moon conjunct Lilith EXACT Moon conjunct Destinn EXACT Venus square Mars EXACT Also, I discovered that my daughter has Dejanira conjunct her 2H Virgo Moon(3 deg. It seems like sexual abuse is an emotional theme that I am working with in this life. Thanks for your help Amiann. If you see Nessus in synastry, make sure you know which side of the fence he is on. It is valued! Aww Fluffy hmm well I dont really have his birth time lol so I just went by the general aspects, so I can see what he does to my moon and where his planets fall in my houses but not vice versa. I found your site a short time ago and learned a lot, very descriptive in the analysis, I love it! If your Dejanira conjuncts his ASC, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Venus or NN, you will be his victim. Does that fit and I applaud your willingness to face yourself. Most potent are Eros-Venus, Eros-Ascendant, Eros-Psyche, and Eros-Mars links. In mythology, Eros was the god of sexual love and desire. 8. on Dejanira and Nessus. This is another clear-cut past life astrology marriage aspect, although it isnt as heavy. You say that you want a nuclear passionate relationship. We need to look at the whole chart to see the whole story. It is very, very powerful. Wow, Pluto conj the DSC may be looking for partners who have strong primal power and you may not have accessed your own. I know somebody whose Moon conjuncts his Dejanira (30 minutes). What I wanted to know first was what past lives we had together. When the son grows up, he will likely be the abuser,too. Then my Nessus is 29 Cancer in almost exact opposition with the child asteroid at 28 Cap. vertex conjunct moon and ascendant in scorpio can make it dark too? It is real to be neutral. Eros is looking for his equal to explore the realm of creative intimacy. This can indicate marriage, but it can also indicate a long-term romantic or sexual relationship. I didn't eroticize his everyday actions. When Lilith and Mars team up in synastry, there's nothing they can't do. The issue is that me disagreeing with you being fatalistic (because what you say is not what always happens, not even 60% of the time because I have nessus/dejanira aspects with most people that are close to me, and I have never been abused or attacked in any of those relationships) does not mean that Im not accepting the truth. Having a planet you have on your 7th house falling on their 1st house and a planet in your 1st house falling on their 7th house and vice-versa which would create an opposite between the two planets in the synastry chart. or you consider just the closer orbit? You can think that Im mad that what youre saying is real all you want, but the only thing that bothered me is your fatalistic outlook and claim of truth that is actually not real. Your posts are starting to scare me now Ami. 4. His Dejanira is in 25 Scorpio, conjunct my Part of Fortune in 27 Scorpio, opposite my Moon in 29 Taurus and Mars and Jupiter, in 0 Gemini. Hello, what a great article, thank you. PROSERPINA conjunct EROS (055') IP: Logged. It makes my day , What conjuncts the DSC, we disown and find in the partner. My ex has Scorpio Pluto conjunct my scorpio moon, and I have Sagittarius pluto conjunct his sagittarius moon. I'm so cappy Knowflake . Thank you for your comment. Also, there is no abuse either way. For example, I am the moon person and my mars also falls in his 8th and much of what you described for moon/pluto conjunction sounds like us. How will these aspects play out? Thank you for your words. In order to post comments, please make sure JavaScript and Cookies are enabled, and reload the page. Even with a trine this 8th house effect enhances both the good and the bad ? It always starts this way. This would be once in a lifetime kind of intense and tender. If you want to ask me a simpler question, I am game! I reply to the comments out of order because I do it on the central comment form. In fact, it is the opposite. You both feel admiration for each other. Dejanira trines my Ascendant. Hi, This question would need me to see the whole chart because what I do is put it all together and come out with a practical answer. It took me a minute to think about the wounded bird types, but I think you might be right. What does this conjunction mean in a synastry? I guess ill post mine and then our synastry chart. And when you really think about it this line of thought deserve to be abused is quite sociopathic in nature. The Sun person naturally understands who the Moon person is and vice versa. It wasn't enough for me to have sex with him though. What about a mars 8th house overlay also trining pluto? I am sorry. Ami, Christian Psychic Readings & Astrology Charts for All Faiths. Yes, that is a good way to put it. The same with nessus conjunct ASC? What significance would you place on someones Juno conjunct my vertex, south node as well as very-widely conjunct my sun (same sign). There is also a near-exact conjunction of his north node to my Eros. The lilith person knows exactly how they effect the ic and can really play with them over time. If I had read this as a 14-16 year old, I wouldve been waiting everyday for my mother to start emotionally, mentally, or physically abusing me, and it would have put me in a constant state of fear because I didnt know much about astrology or how complex and fluid it is. Two celestial bodies are in conjunction when they are very close to each other, often in the same sign but never more than 8 degrees apart. Unlike Juno/Saturn aspects, Juno in aspect with the South Node does not necessarily indicate that marriage in this life will be a force. I cant really relate to Nessus at all, though I sometimes think I can feel BML itching under my skin. Lol just noticed what you wrote at the end about Mars/Uranus, sorry! I was wondering how much weight can have the orbit in a synastry.. for example, I have with a guy a Venus trine Pluto, but 5.46 orbit.. does it counts? She is deeply alluring and irresistible. Or rather nessus and dejanira support negative aspects since these are asteroids. My DEJA in home 6 in opposition to your NESUS in my house 12 to 10 degrees from my ascendant. Lilith cops the craziest projections - that she could cause miscarriages or tried to wreck men's marriages via 'erotic nightmares' and so on. If other aspects and planets in the chart point to marriage, then it was probably a romantic, attractive marriage where the couple did not see each other all day, did not share a bedroom, had a large household staff, lived apart, etc. 3 degrees is wide but this is one of the hardest aspects in the whole chart, so please be vigilant, as I know you will be! . I always question the role of house overlays and given this topic the 8th house comes to mind. Eros isnt making any connections to either Dejanira or Nessus though. This brings out their dark side. Any other aspect will show a wound through marriage, but the marriage wasnt necessarily involving both parties together. Eros in synastry Tell me, what is it like? There are some other great planet aspects but I am very curious about the ones I listed. A Lilith conjunct Mars synastry creates an intense hot affair that can lead to abuse of power and hostility, and this couple must learn to take care of each other before passion consumes their lives. Thats why its so weird bc it is a very good longterm relationship. 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. You may be fated to marry. How does that play out? However, if you want me to help you to find Jesus, that is why I am here. . Lilith, both Black Moon and Asteroid 1181, brings up deep and primal sexual energy sometimes accompanied by feelings of anger, rejection and rage. Nessus conj the NN in the natal would be a person who would likely be abusive. I believe her Dejanira is conjunct his Nessus by one degree. Thats your opinion. Double whammy of Mars-Uranus in our synastry chart. Nessus conjuncts BML, and Dejanira conjuncts DSC and Pluto. The Fortuna would, likely, bring good fortune to the vertex person, likely in the arena of money. Another asteroid that is dark is Dejanira. Is it a similar power to the conjunction? I know our feelings are mutually intense but certainly we experience our relationship from different perspectives. That is what I was saying. I just got into astrology a month ago and find it fascinating. Well, maybe, but dont most abusers have a history of childhood abuse themselves? Conjunctions, oppositions, and trines are best. I remember the first time I discovered how to read a synastry chart; I worked with mine and my boyfriends for about 6 hours. We`ve known each other for a few months and generally it is a good relationship. This is a difficult aspect, but the couple often meets in this life to try and heal the wound. I was wondering.. Are Sun/Mars (double whammy) and Venus/Mars (double whammy) dark aspects in synastry? Hey there! Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. With asteroids, I would accept a 3 degree conjunction, tops. I always seem to have the opinion that these people are somewhat evil yet gullible and innocent and therefore they deserve to be abused. You could post it in my Forum if you would like, Eva. Eros thrills, scares and creates intense bonds. For that reason, I am not for everyone and know this but I seem to be appreciated by people who think like I do.