We cant create worlds out of nothing. Jesus Himself said that HE and the Father would indwell us. Gabriel, in. Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. The misconception I encounter is that His fulfillment of the law means it no longer applies. That says more than anything you or I can say. To which quote are you referring? Steven is a pastor in the church and both of them embrace their religious journey together. Galatians 3:13 says, Christ has (past tense) redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. The curse includes every sickness and every disease (Deuteronomy 28:15-68). Please, Thomas: keep studying what God has said in His Word. If Steven Furtick IS a false teacher, then playing Elevation music in your church promotes a false teacher, funds his ministry, and adds to the problem rather than solving it. Youre double-checking what your father believes without making him defensive. I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may knowthat there is no one likeme in all the earth. I know it can be difficult to separate what weve been taught by people we love from what we see in the Bible, but you can do it. Its not a surprise that Andrew Wommack agrees with false teachers like Steven Furtick and Myles Munroe, as he too teaches contrary to Scripture. It reminded me of conversations I have often had concerning Christs fulfillment of the law. Right, I also hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written, as truly iron does sharpen iron, as our Great brother Paul said, for we know in part. See, up until now I have walked with you, but when I send my spirit, I will be in you. First, the New Testament is clear about false teachers: Dont get me wrong: its VERY important to be VERY careful when throwing around accusations. Wommack, as you point out, teaches that we can limit God. If so, we should probably talk about that. Furtick says some false things, but on this scripture, I will stand with collaborating scripture and Matthew Henry. Not the people, but the ideas, and the spiritual forces behind those ideas. If you throw the ball, you are not the ball. Does he teach the importance of obedience, Does he teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, Does he teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Im sorry to hear about your crisis of faith, truly. Jakes and Steven Furtick. The implication, as taught over and over by these false teachers, is that we share Gods nature, and we can do the things He can do. Do I consider Steven Furtick a false teacher? But thought I had read something about TD Jakes now realizing modalism is wrong. We must be careful to consider the cost when publically denouncing a man as a false teacher. Its important to make sure we keep the question in mind. And, I am sure you could have hit a few more points and added many more examples. The ceremonial laws addressed uncleanliness. God did not heal Paul because, in His wisdom, had a purpose for Pauls suffering that resulted in greater glory for Himself than healing Paul could have accomplished. Ive had people paste entire chapters of their books here, and then ask me to rebut each sentence directly. Thats both unbiblical and ridiculous. Thanks! He just changed forms.. Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. Jesus still has a body, by the way He didnt stop being human after the resurrection. Yes, youre setting him up. Second, Jesus did not set the Law aside, and He did not break the Law. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I amhas sent me to you.. The amethyst is a symbol of strong relationships and courage. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. This is good stuff, my friend. The very nature of the gospel is that Jesus died in our place, so Furticks error on this matter touches on the most important subjects in Scripture. Here are a few verses: I could go on, of course. He also has a brother named Matthew Furtick, and a step-sister named Stephanie. Note, Unbelief is the great obstruction to Christs favours. Through His Son, that which was unclean -was made clean-. Now I pay attention more to the words spoken by pastors and dont just take everything they say as being true. I am far from perfect, and I can be wrong so I dont do any of this lightly, and Im open to correction. Do you see it now? Here is an article with detail information on the Mansion. I know that his command leads to eternal life. The problem isnt that Furtick baptizes converts to Christianity. So #1 is debunked. They are separate, as they are different. No, I get that it would be rough if others out here in cyberspace land could write at the same length, yet all I ask is that you follow same, be equitable . No to angels and demons? Narcigesis makes Scripture about me. Besides: its easy to ask a question like, What does the Bible say about baptism, but the answer isnt so brief. Do not line up with the holy spirit that was Within Me. This seems to figure in the trapped in their perspective of he could not, as what is the difference between could and did if it does depend on our faith which comes by hearing the word? This unbiblical idea is that humans are not only somewhat like God, but that we are duplicates or copies of Him. That way we avoid arguments about one persons opinions being more correct than another persons opinions. So you dont believe that God is a molecular structure. Why do you stare at us as if by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? Unfortunately, thats where it ends. God isnt morphing like a CGI character from one state of being into another. Jakes, who teaches the heresy of modalism (see below). Yes, the first quote as noted is not heretical. Does that make sense? Your use of this passage suggests that we dont know whether Furtick is teaching the gospel or not whether its from God or not. And God made your life into something much greater than anyone could have reasonably expected. Second, Im supremely confident that you will agree with these statements correct me if Im wrong: If you agree with those things, then the only thing left for you and me to figure out is whether Steven Furticks teaching actually DOES contradict Scripture right? The scroll in question is a scroll of prophecy. That excludes a number of books in the Bible, since not all are prophetic. 14), some have weaker faith and some stronger. This was Gamaliels opinion, and shouldnt be used as a strategy for how to address false teaching in the church. Ill address your use of Acts 5:38-39 first. #3 is what came to mind when you said bad things are bad, never good. What ethnicity is Steven Furtick? So that we, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, that you might be filled with all the fulness of God. I dont believe youre making a mountain out of a molehill. It's not so much guilt by association, it's guilt by subjugation. Both of us having what I would describe as a crisis of faith. Steven Furtick is a completely self-serving, self-worshiping, self-absorbed charlatan - a sinner who has never repented and been born again. I especially resonated with your statement that many false teachers today change the focus of the gospel from God to humanity. Every life is a miracle and every child a blessing, true. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. Christ in you, the hope of glory Colossians 1:27 So, singing Jehovahs Witness songs would put licensing money in their pockets, furthering their ministry while promoting them as a source of good religious music. You have to get the understanding from God. Hopefully, we all learn from our mistakes. I do not agree with His saying; What God did when he sent his son [he] broke the Law for love. Is totally wrong, for because of the Law (as you know this), Christ had to come as a perfect man, just like the law says, a perfect lamb was to be sacrificed, for Youre judging me, putting your spin on what Im saying. You make several good points in this response but one that Id like to expand on: b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church. He publicly approves of false teachers like T.D. Can a man present the gospel that may be doctrinally incorrect on other matters ? First, we know that there is only one God. She is only sleeping. But they (the doubters) laughed at Him. If you agree, we have a LOT of work to do. Dont listen to what I say, or what Steven Furtick says. Theres a GIGANTIC difference between what God CAN do and what God WILL do. Steven Furtick's birthstone is Amethyst. Here are the benefits: If your father is a modalist, youll find out rather quickly. God saves us in response to our acceptance of His offer of salvation. May God have mercy on him, his family, his church, friends, associates, and all who listen to him. Apparently, in his own words, Steven Furtick does. Yet not as I will, but as you will. Im not sure why, at this point, youre still not acknowledging that this specific thing that Furtick taught is false. Being made in Gods image does not mean that we share all of His attributes. I dont think so, and Ill bet that you dont really think so, either. I would never ask you to take my word for anything I simply want to point you to the Scriptures. No, all these scripture above are contrary to your saying; our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to just does not fit. John Calvin comments, Unbelievers, as far as lies in their power, bind up the hands of God by their obstinacy; not that God is overcome, as if he were an inferior, but because they do not permit him to display his power. Jesus did not do miracles because performing them would have been against His purpose to judge those who were unwilling to believe. Search. He is looking forward to his 41st birthday soon, according to The Wealth Record. The impulse to fake it is completely understandable but deception is not a valid church growth strategy. Christianity seems pretty boring (to some people) after listening to false teachers explain that God doesnt judge them, that God wants them to be rich, that they have the power inside themselves to live an amazing life, and so on. Furtick and Munroe teach that there are things that God wants to do, but CANNOT do. Fritz was born on July 15th, 1882 in Sandy Run, South Carolina. God bless and give you discernment. Is that godliness? First, Ive confirmed your subscription to this comment thread. You are judging this man and putting your spin on what he is saying. Thats his conclusion. The scripture are flush with such scripture, and I shared many in my last response, as truly all things (healing, deliverance, and salvation, which is the greatest miracle) are possible, but one has to believe! Furtick along with virtually every other Word of Faith teacher says that God is dependent on us to do work here on earth, and in our own lives. That doesnt mean, however, that its okay to be unfaithful or wicked. Pauls entire ministry illustrates the selfless nature of the true Shepherd. Most of it has nothing directly to do with being born again. Do you agree with him when he says that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all, and that thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? Thats the question. What gives you the right to say who is or is not of God? Where the Bible isnt clear, we should hold loosely to the ideas that we come up with about who God is, how He operates, and why. After all, someone might say: whos to say that God is NOT energy? First, He restrained His anger then, furious, He rejected Israel completely. Nickname: Stevens Furtick Gender: Male Date of birth: 19th February 1980 Birth sign: Pisces Place of birth: Moncks Corner, South Carolina, U.S. Age: 41 years old (as of 2021) Nationality: American Ethnicity: White Eye colour: Black Hair colour: Black Weight: 72 kg Height: 5 feet 9 inches Sexual orientation: Straight Religion: Christianity Pastor Steven Furtick. I want to be discerning. The Father was still in Heaven, and the Holy Spirit was still doing His thing. The gospel , death, burial and resurrection of our Lord. I find it no surprise people such as yourself, doing anything to rip apart a man who is chosen by Father God to bring millions and millions of people to Jesus Christ, as he has done with Pastor Furtick. Were called to watch our lives and doctrine closely right? Its NOT a definitive answer. Jesus was not judging them, they were judging themselves, self incriminating (thus not getting anything, James 1:4) for as, per John 3:18. He called Word of Faith teacher Joyce Meyer the greatest Bible teacher alive today.. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ,the new creationhas come:The old has gone, the new is here! Oneness theology is 50% biblically orthodox. No, Thomas I dont want to have the final say. Scientist still do not know what holds the molecules together, but interesting the word says; by him (Jesus) all things hold together. Thanks for doing this. Thank you for this clarity and God bless. I guess thats why people thought of the three states of water, clover leaf, etc. To suggest that God is not all-powerful goes against 3500 years of biblical witness, every bit of Judaic and Christian belief, and hundreds of verses of Scripture, both Old and New Testament. The family resides in a 16,000 square foot mansion which is located at 433 Lochaven Road, Waxhaw, NC. The cause of death was Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS), also known as Lou Gehrig's Disease. Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. I have no idea what goes on in his head, but I do know that he teaches things that contradict Scripture indisputable things. To be more precise, the Word of God teaches that there is only one God, and The Word of God also teaches that God is spirit. The reason people are taught that we cant understand the trinity is that we cant. Sure, we know that there is only one God. As Ive written in What is a False Teacher, I want to be careful, and I dont see these teachers as my enemies only as people who need to be seen, assessed, critiqued, and understood. Where is the Holy Spirit conviction , wheres the guidance of the Holy Spirit ? Dont give up your frustration is evidence that the real thing is out there waiting. If not, Elevation music is just music some great, some good, some average, some not so much. Thanks for visiting! You might want to write more, but you dont have to read through the 10,000 word screeds that people used to post here. This is pretty basic, and every Word of Faith teacher including Steven Furtick does it. The Son sits at the right hand of the Father (Hebrews 10:12) and we await His return (Titus 2:13), but the Holy Spirit dwells in each believer (1 Corinthians 3:16). How many have only joined a church , gotten baptized, confirmed without being convicted. Second, its the kind of claim that cant be tested, so its safe from those who would question it. Its clear that God does some miracles on the basis of a persons faith, and that God does some miracles independent of anyones faith. 2:8). Jesus said the HolySpirit proceeds from the Father. The best analogy Ive come across and the one that Ive found is not only the most useful but the most accurate, is the term family. I agree with you on Steven Furtick and have warned several friends about him. If youd like to address the idea that God is or is not omnipotent, go ahead. So it cant apply to the whole Bible, or even to the whole New Testament. Pastor Steven Furtick. According to the ALS Association, Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis is a fatal condition that causes progressive degeneration of nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord. The thief on the cross was a special case. The claim that there is one God is biblically accurate. Go find them! Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. He was prepared to. Dr. R.C. Thanks. Thousands have responded to the news of the elder Furtick's passing by writing to the pastor via social media simple messages like "love and prayers," as did LifeChurch.tv Pastor Craig Groeschel. For example, in that same passage of Scripture, one might read into the passage the idea that Jesus may have been angry at His old neighbors and at His family. Id probably really like him. >> It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. Here is what the great Matthew Henry said; It (this familiarity breeding contempt). God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. You see, it sounds a bit like both so Im not sure. Third, we know that the Son is not the Father nor the Spirit, and that the Spirit is not the Father. Let me know if youre in. Each has a relationship with the other we see whats called a subject-object relationship. No. God can do whatever He chooses to do. One of the main issues that cause both false teaching and teaching in error is reading verses out of context. Needs a dose of 1 Peter 5:5, as we all must! Steven Furtick is a renowned American pastor, songwriter, and New York Times best-selling author.This was in the credit for his books; Greater and Sun Stand Still in 2010. I appreciate your input: too many simply condemn people for being unbiblical, or heretical, without actually pointing to what they teach. I hope you wont just take my word for any of this, but will continue to search the Scriptures and make sure that what youre hearing matches what God has already said. The Gift Of Victory. While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. But I dont want to follow a false teacher. Manybtimes statements of faith by very otherwise orthodox groups miss this teaching. Can You Go to Heaven if You're Not Baptized? We are not all-powerful, or all-knowing, or all-present. Steve Furtick Welding General Foreman. But that you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up your bed, and go unto your house. Matthew 9:5,6. I have no idea whether Furtick does what he does for personal gain, and you dont either. Bottom line, how do we know that in his saying I sought the Lord that he was not standing in faith, and confessing healing? You sound angry. Then in John 1:12 this power is received by faith, then in Ephesians 3:7 this gift of grace is through working of his power. . Duncan blogged about the baptism guide in a post he titled, " How Steven Furtick engineered a miracle .". If I like a soft drink and tell people its good, they might drink it too and find out later that the company is run by terrible people who eat babies and torture puppies. Steven Furtick earned a Master of Divinity degree from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Jesus decision to heal some and not others might be confusing to you, but its not illogical and its certainly not unbiblical and it certainly isnt addressed in 1 Corinthians 14. According to Furtick, Jesus had the ability and the desire to do more, but the power of God was trapped in their perspective.. God made him who had no sinto be sinfor us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. The services or what they call experiences being like a rock concert as apposed to a respectable and honorable way to come to God and worship. But, Jesus knew that a resurrection would be greater show of his power, than a mere healing! He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. As does Satan. Thanks. In the world of the Word of Faith movement, God CANNOT do ANYTHING on earth without us giving Him permission. In any other context, I have no doubt you would share my concern: In the beginning, Marduk created the heavens and the earth. As far as God is concerned, that settles the issue of healing, as its all done, 1 Peter 2:24. We are talking about Furtick as a teacher and his interpretation of Matthew 13:58, yet Matthew Henry is a teacher, and said the very same thing, will you draw him into this category too? I wouldnt suggest that one add up the number of doctrinal errors to determine whether someone is a false teacher. . Even Sproul (who you quoted earlier) does so by saying The circumstances by which God the Holy Spirit unleashed [Christs] power were not available there, because there was a judgment of God on the town of Nazareth. He did not disappear. I want to express this, and hope you will not be offended, and write a lengthy response to it, as such privilege you have , yet do not share with others. The Proverb gains so much more meaning as you examine what actually happens during the sharpening process. I have nothing personal against him, and I dont know whether hes saved. Lets pretend for a moment that youre right, though. But, and if any one, the closest would be, God did not heal Paul because, in His wisdom, had a purpose for Pauls suffering that resulted in greater glory for Himself than healing Paul could have accomplished. As for asking if I agree with him, that God broke the law for love, have you forgotten, I already shared earlier about that (look above); Gods power was not trapped in their unbelief. That elevates us higher than the Scriptures indicate, and limits God in ways the Scriptures dont. I wouldnt think so, but thats the result of what youve written. While you (and I, at times) focus only on salvation, Jesus did not. But its the speeking that gets him every time. The problem is that hes not preaching the gospel. Yet, is Furtick teaching heresy, for this is what John was saying; For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7. The standard in the New Testament is clear: we ARE to throw the baby out with the bath water. Elevation Church broadcasts live every weekend and on demand throughout the week on ElevationChurch.online. My wife and mother in law are both very attached to Steven Furtick and Ive tried to tell them about modalism and other things he says but they always interpret it to mean something else. Because Matthew Henry said similar interpretation as Furtick, Will you bring Matthew Henry into this category of false teacher too? But also, I think many teachers, Pastors, etc. This is where you read a section of the Bible and you add to it. There are plenty of Scriptures about not rejecting other believers simply because they dont yet understand all that Jesus taught. I really appreciate your conclusion as it shows compassion and love. Air Presto Off White White Shoes $637. In human terms though there are also single entities being comprised of multiple persons, and I think this gets us closer to a useful analogy. With respect, youve mischaracterized me in an important way. Yet, the difference between animals blood and Christ blood, is great. We CAN say, with some confidence, that those who led them astray were probably not born again they were trying to pervert the gospel. So: while we cant understand the trinity, we CAN explain what the Bible says about God. As you say and as Ive written here false teachers also teach many true things. Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Even Jesus cannot override your unbelief. I would like to read them.. Andrea: As you might imagine, it takes time to write about what other people teach so while there arent many articles about specific people, you can find them on the List of False Teachers. Right, John 5 speaks to Jesus ministry, doing his Father work verse 17, again in Acts 10:38, going about healing all who were oppressed of the devil . This is not a simple theological error, or a questionable interpretation of a particular Bible verse. Teaching that reading about Jesus is anything like reading about ourselves goes too far. There were plenty of people that Jesus never healed. My identity isnt a secret. I am changing forms. They demote God from the all-powerful, all-knowing being that He is into a victim of a clever demon that He created the Creator was tricked by His creation, failed to see the future, and was rendered impotent as a result. If you agree that hes a false teacher but want to talk more about Matthew 13, at least Ill have some sense as to your intentions. There is no other God beside Him. Believe it or not, I held back from actually using the language of the kingdom. You should spend a little time in 1 Timothy and Titus to see what Paul says about people who teach anything other than the true gospel. God bless you brother. Many people such as Paul himself before his conversion, along with his brother Pharisees, know the Word. Not trapped in their perspective.? This guy who is spending all this time with only one side of view is not write you may want to get your self out of the way and let go and let God . Accept it and leave the rest to Father God. No, its simple as hearing; In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13.These scripture tell us God uses faith, as faith is action, or acting on after that you heard the word of truth.