MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. May 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM I completely agree with this! Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. I guess Ill need to have my next irons bent weaker leaving some marks on the blade and hosel. When looking for clubs that fit your game, a professional club fitter will look at these factors down below to determine what their lie angle should be: I know this concept can be confusing, especially if you have never been fit for golf clubs before. High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. We have seen significant distance improvements with all 3 of these irons, it just needs to match up with how you launch the ball. Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. This feels like an anyone week the back-nine on Sunday could be fun. of distance, and more playable iron trajectories. How Long Do They Last, Driving Iron Advantages and Disadvantages, You are using clubs that are too tall for you (easy fix is to change the shaft length), You stand far away from the golf ball when making a swing. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Contact Us Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. Still have questions? Espana. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. IG: golfer_scott 716 MB'S. sorry, didnt mean increase loft. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. The fitter can then analyze a golfers swing pattern and adjust the lie angle accordingly. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. The two things are diametrically opposed in meaning of course. 2 degrees upright, what does this say about my swing etc You can post now and register later. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). Watch this great video here if you are curious on how to bend the lie angle of a club using a loft/lie machine: Impact tape is a tape that a club fitter places on the face of the golf club that creates marks of where the golfer struck the ball on the clubface. By document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Why knowing the different variations in epoxy matter Here How to create excitement before they take the first What you can expect with a Mitchell Golf Angle Mitchell Golf Equipment Company Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Thank you for such an eye opening article. (I ran into this today.) 16,822. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. Bending TM P790 irons up to 2 degrees weaker. Is it safe? Good idea? I think that makes a difference. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. I am purchasing new irons and am seriously considering getting the lofts 2* weak to create a 48* PW and 4* loft spacing. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. Military. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. A 1 degree lie angle change, either flat or more upright, can cause a 4-yard difference either left or right of a straight target. In some cases "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. Bounce follows loft in a 1:1 ratio. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. That is a two club difference. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. It is a lot easier to find what lie angle you need in your golf clubs and purchase a set rather than have to individually bend each club. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. You must log in or register to reply here. What still kills me are the guys coming in and demanding a lower lofted driver thinking it will give them more distance. Ok thats good to know, the longest iron I carry in the bag is a 6 iron so it wont make that much of a difference then in the long irons. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. The new grooves should also be mentioned as allowing the ball to slide up the face a little more compared to the older grooves. The swing is dynamic and I seriously doubt that I can hit two balls on the course exactly the same, with my body being exactly in the same position every time. Bending the loft is another story. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW Think about how much this could help golfers from the rough as well. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. TM TPx. Guaranteed that if you looked at your ball speed it was dramatically higher. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? ProV1x-mostly. Oh, and Jason Day is reputed to have bent some of his irons strong and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with ego. Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. . I know it will increase the bounce. Titleist AP3 3 iron 2 degrees strong AMT black stiff shaft | eBay The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. I have a 2 iron bent 2 strong to 16. With added ball speed comes more launch. Using a club bending machine to change the angle on a golf club is among the fastest ways to improve a players ball flight. I knew that bounce and loft have a 1:1 ratio but never thought that changing lie angle would affect swingweight but it makes perfect sense. Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. IG: golfer_scott However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. On 7/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, PoeKingShankspeare said: Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Sign up to receive product offers and news! The 27-year-old made his way onto the top level by virtue of his performance on the Korn Ferry Tour during the combined Covid seasons, and hes doing a great job in honing his craft. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. Add loft for distance?????? Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. Due to how DeChambeau delivers the club, his 4-iron has a stated loft of 16 degrees; the stock Ping i230 comes in at 22.5 degrees. But, as lofts are strengthened the gaps become compressed on the long end and widened on the short. The speed of putts is crucial. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. Well driving iron to be exact. By NYonce. In the five starts mentioned above, the St. Simons resident has some impressive first round finishes. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet?